I always thought anything not mainstream was....alternative. I remember an interview where Iggy Pop said something along the lines of him not being "normal" or "average" and many others at his school just like him. So if he created music for them, he wasn't competing with the mainstream, but had a big enough chunk to make money by. The Stooges were the godfathers of punk, so New York Dolls, Television, Ramones, Devo etc in my opinion are all alternative. If you predate The Stooges there were plenty of other garage rock bands that were making kick ass music, but we're not mainstream...so, alternative too! R.E.M. Were college rock independent, where college radio became "cool" to listen to, and helped the likes of Mudhoney and other Seattle luminaries like,...what was their name again? Nir...? Nir...?
Yeah, but you know what I mean by alternative. College rock, jangle pop, etc. In 1981 they started a style of music that many bands of the 90's aped and played a neutered version of. 1985 to 1990 was the golden age of college/alternative and emo.
If you like REM check out Pylon-- they are also from Athens and played around with REM, who covered their song "Crazy." Also check out the Butthole Surfers-- Gibby Haynes loves Michael Stipe!
Nice, @WakeInFright ! Speaking of proto-punk, you can't forget the Modern Lovers!.. @ghostbuster - Yeah, man - I lived in Athens for many years, next door to Michael Stipe for one of them. I know @SkaterRick has some pretty good Athens stories, too! @McShredorDie - Toxic Reasons? Man, who are these guys?! This is good stuff! Just looked them up - Dayton, OH? Rad! Friends with Guided by Voices? Kim Deal? Didn't Neil Blender live out there for a while with Alien Workshop? Weird!
@WakeInFright C86 is overhyped. I've heard people say it's the starting point of indie but that's ridiculous! From a British perspective, indie (as a music style) started around the time of The Cure's Boys Don't Cry and in the US it was R.E.M.'s Hib-Tone single.
@ghostbuster I'll give them a listen. What album's best to start? Gyrate, Chomp or Chain?
@VatoRat Glad you like them! Within These Walls is another great product of the 85 emo/alternative explosion. Their earlier pre and post 85 stuff is standard hardcore mixed in with some oi (it's weird. Within These Walls is the redheaded stepchild of their catalog but also their best) but you might also like Killed By Remote Control which is more along the lines of the melodic Bad Religion sound.
Another good band is Articles of Faith!
All these bands started releasing their best albums when they slowed down and started listening to REM.
@McShredorDie: That's cool, glad you like it, coincidentally 1st heard "Stop It" stoned at a party in the 90s and was like wtf is this? & did some research.
@VatoRat: That's awesome; was there a van with messages painted on it parked out front when you were living there?
Pylon were extremely cool. I got the pleasure of working with Randy Bewley, the guitar player, for about a year or so. At the time I had no idea who Pylon was, but I slowly caught on and had the good fortune of seeing their first reunion show the last time they got together. He tuned his guitar A D G C E E, which was something he came up with on his Supro on his own. Unfortunately he died in a car accident a few years later.
I don't really have an REM story, unlike most Athenians/former Athenians. I met Mike Mills in passing once but didn't know who he was.
Bassists are unrecognized work horses in my experience and also usually get treated a lot like horses by other band members and audience members (as in, they are eaten first during hard times). Not that anyone asked but my favorite bassist is John Entwistle.
@McShredorDie Absolutely man. Great Canadian punk rock. I met them once through work. They were super chill and very nice. They gave me some guitar picks and a bag of weed cause they were heading to the airport to fly home and didn't wanna take it with them. It was damn good too..
You ever heard of The Nils? Another great Canadian band who were basically doing in 1985 what bands like Gob and BNU were doing 10 years later but with some more Husker Du influence.
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@ghostbuster - Yeah, man - I lived in Athens for many years, next door to Michael Stipe for one of them. I know @SkaterRick has some pretty good Athens stories, too!
@McShredorDie - Toxic Reasons? Man, who are these guys?! This is good stuff! Just looked them up - Dayton, OH? Rad! Friends with Guided by Voices? Kim Deal? Didn't Neil Blender live out there for a while with Alien Workshop? Weird!
@ghostbuster I'll give them a listen. What album's best to start? Gyrate, Chomp or Chain?
@VatoRat Glad you like them! Within These Walls is another great product of the 85 emo/alternative explosion. Their earlier pre and post 85 stuff is standard hardcore mixed in with some oi (it's weird. Within These Walls is the redheaded stepchild of their catalog but also their best) but you might also like Killed By Remote Control which is more along the lines of the melodic Bad Religion sound.
Another good band is Articles of Faith!
All these bands started releasing their best albums when they slowed down and started listening to REM.
@VatoRat: That's awesome; was there a van with messages painted on it parked out front when you were living there?
I don't really have an REM story, unlike most Athenians/former Athenians. I met Mike Mills in passing once but didn't know who he was.
Bassists are unrecognized work horses in my experience and also usually get treated a lot like horses by other band members and audience members (as in, they are eaten first during hard times). Not that anyone asked but my favorite bassist is John Entwistle.
You ever heard of The Nils? Another great Canadian band who were basically doing in 1985 what bands like Gob and BNU were doing 10 years later but with some more Husker Du influence.
The Asexuals are rad, too.
And Anthrax's Among the living, and Persistence of time @SK8ER !
Dinosaur Jr tonight.
And some Brian Jonestown Massacre.