Royal trucks

Considering on the Royals Alvarez trucks 5.25. Any good for these trucks? Should I get these ?

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  • never heard anything positive about royals
  • Get mini logo or Indy.
  • How about tensor standard aluminium trucks guys? Was thinking to go budhet, indy is out of my budget.
  • Budget"
  • Only budget trucks I'll ride are Mini Logos. I bought Royals a few years ago when SkateWarehouse was blowing them out for $10 shipped. They have been ridden maybe 8 times. I pulled them out two weeks ago and put them on a board - and I'm probably taking them off again. The grind on curbs is slow and grabby. Turn is ok, not great. Kingpin clearance is bad.

    I had Krux that I purchased under similar circumstances and gave them away - they don't turn.

    Compare that to Mini Logo, which I still like and ride on some decks after 6 years. I like Mini Logo on decks that are smaller (8.3 and under), that are reasonably steep with few fingers of flat - setups I will be doing flippy stuff with. I run risers on the 8.38 ones, but not the 8". Kingpin clearance is bad, but I don't do slappies with these setups. They turn well for low trucks and I will run the 8.38 setup in transition.

    I like Thunder on flat decks with around 3 fingers of flat (Mini Logo 8" deck with Thunder is super flippy). They give a hefty pop feel meaning you can get a lot of energy out of them. I don't care for them on steep decks.

    I like Ace on bigger setups that I use in bowls. They turn better than Indy and grind better too. Pop feel is very light - so not as much height on ollies, but is easier. Good for mellowing out steeper setups like Santa Cruz. Not my favorite on flat decks like Powell.

    Indy are middle of the road. If I only had one setup that I was riding everywhere, I may go Indy. I prefer the forged baseplate - it is lower and is drilled to give a slightly wider wheelbase giving a heftier pop.
  • I had a set of standard height Tensor 10 aluminum trucks in 8.125". I liked them ok as they were the only trucks I rode on a popsicle for a year or so. They do turn ok and are light, but when I got Indy's and Thunders I switched. I gave that whole early setup to a friend's kid but I don't think he's ever even ridden it. They recently changed their trucks' geometry (branded as "all terrain") which are higher and with a shorter wheelbase, probably because more people like that (Indy). I rode them as loose as I could get them but they were still pretty tight. They are extremely nicely finished.

    @BackInAction question for you: You find that you are not able to ollie as high on shorter wheelbase trucks like Ace and Indy's on flatter decks? I have two identical Powell decks in 8.25", one with Indy's and one with Thunders. I like them both, but when it comes to ollies I get way more pop and height, and more consistently, on the Thunders.
  • edited May 9
    You find that you are not able to ollie as high on shorter wheelbase trucks like Ace and Indy's on flatter decks? I have two identical Powell decks in 8.25", one with Indy's and one with Thunders. I like them both, but when it comes to ollies I get way more pop and height, and more consistently, on the Thunders.


    @SkaterRick

    Yep. Amount of pop and height is determined a lot by the geometry of the truck, but you need to find the right combo per deck. Venture/Thunder on steep decks are a no go for me, as are Ace on flat decks.

    Bigger wheelbase to shorter:

    Venture forged > Venture > Thunder > Indy forged > Indy > Mini Logo > Ace
  • @BackInAction , thanks for that. I guess that explains why I like the 8.75" Mini Logos I have on the pool setup so much. The bit about the different wheelbase between standard and forged Indy's is interesting; how much is it supposed to be? The Indy's I mentioned are forged, meaning that there is only one degree of separation on your scale here (Thunder > Indy forged) between a truck I find pretty easy to pop and a truck that feels like it takes me a great deal more effort. I can pop it pretty high, I just gotta put more ass into it and the timing matters more.
  • i had a set of krux and they DO turn they spend a shit ton of money on bushings so dont know why urs wasnt turning maybe u didnt have a kingpin in them ;)
  • edited May 10
    In regards to wheelbases I would rank Tracker Aggro < Indy < Thunder < Gullwing. However if Thunder drilled their base plates like Indy, then Thunder would almost give Gullwing a run for their money! Top shot is Indy at the front, Tracker aggro further away, the other pics are Tracker aggro with Thunder on top, then Gullwing on top!
  • edited May 10
    Disagree that Krux turn. They are the same height as Indy and have about the same wheelbase as Indy - yet they just don't carve the same tightness for the same amount of lean. You can't make a Krux turn as tight as an Indy no matter how loose you have them.

    I had two setups with the same wheelbase - one Krux and one with the Indys I was used to - and took them to a local skatepark that is a flow park with mostly 5-8' transitions. I dropped in on the Krux board - wheelbity loose - and the board wouldn't turn as fast as I was used to. I bailed in a number of corners while carving because my body thought it should be turning more, and the board lagged behind. It was a crazy experience. I could skate my Ace, Indy, and Mini Logo back to back and be absolutely fine. Krux just felt like the board didn't want to do what I asked. I think I rode them for 10 minutes and gave them away.

    A little while later I saw Ben Degros review them and he had the same feelings.



    They are probably fine if you are used to them but I saw zero advantage over Indy.
  • shouldnt be skating loose trucks anyway
  • edited May 10
    Maybe Ben can fix his trucks with his carpenters “golf tees”! lol
  • edited May 12
    @BackInAction I went down the rabbit hole a bit (I could only stand so much), and I'm confused as to why the kick angle and distance of flat from the bolts matters. A truck that is higher will increase the distance that the tail has to travel on an ollie, period. If you have a higher truck on a deck with a steep kick and a lot of flat to the bolts, isn't that maximizing the possible distance for the tail to travel before hitting the ground? I thought I needed a lower, wider wheelbase truck on a shallower tail because I'm old and decrepit. My wife commented when I was skating the Indy's that I looked like I was gonna jerk myself out of my own frame when I ollied.
    Edited to remove an assertion that a shorter wheelbase = more distance for the tail to travel. I don't think this is true. Is it just the few mm in height that makes those Indy's feel so different? And if the pop feel should be made lighter by moving the fulcrum point further in, shouldn't this theoretically offset an increase in height?
  • @SkaterRick I've tried to figure out why as well, and I don't have an answer as to why. I have my experience as to what works for me, and that experience seems to jive with what I read other people saying about what kind of truck works on what deck.

    It seems like everything is super minute - a few mm here, a few mm there... and when drawing it out it doesn't make sense to me that it would matter that much. A taller, more inward Indy should have the board be at the same angle as a shorter, more outward Thunder. should...

    Before this lockdown, I skated mostly transition and so the pop feel didn't really matter to me - just what turned well. I thought a lot of this talk was a bit of hogwash and I wasn't nuanced enough to care.

    Now I am skating a bunch of flatland. I have been a bit of a gear hussy over the last few years and currently have trucks from Ace, Indy (three generations - all with different geometry), Thunder, Mini Logo and Royal. I have a bunch of decks as well - with the flattest being the MiniLogo, and the steeper ones with less flat being a South Central pressed shop deck and a Santa Cruz.

    I spent an afternoon a couple weeks ago moving gear around - trying deck X with trucks 1,2 and 3. I wanted to see how the ollie felt, how consistent I was on kickflips, etc... Then trying all the same trucks on deck Y.

    Differences were pretty surprising to me. One setup could feel great, and another could feel like I was just learning to skate again.

    My experience is that Thunder work better on flatter decks, and the trucks with shorter wheelbases (ace, older Indy, Mini Logo) work better on the steeper ones. It seems to be the consensus on Slap as well, and Ben Degros' opinion.

    It also seems to correlate with what you are experiencing. I don't have an explanation as to why...

    I think with setups there is a combination of what "everyone thinks" and what you are used to. If I only rode a Powell/Mini Logo deck with Ace I would get used to the super flat and my timing would come around. If I only rode a South Central deck with Venture forged I would get used to it. When I was 16 I didn't care about any of this stuff. I went to the shop and bought whatever, got used to it and ripped.

    TLDR: Thunder work well for you on that deck. Skate it and don't worry why.
  • Yeah, when I was a kid I didn't think about any of it either. I got used to what I had and did more back then than I probably ever will again, at least on street/flat. Now I live in a cubicle (or my house) and have a lot more internet time than anything else.

    The last deck I retired I couldn't ollie that well on, and I tried it with both the Indys and the Thunders. I did a lot better on the Powell and thought that the tail on that other deck must have been shorter, but on closer examination it was actually a couple of degrees (maybe) steeper. That made a big difference, I guess, and neither truck made that deck real ollie-able for me. The Tensors I mentioned earlier in this thread I couldn't get much pop with, and they were a good bit lower. I guess there's an optimal range of height that varies by individual. I don't know if I care enough to start experimenting, but is there some deck out there with the right combination of attributes that would make the Indy the preferred truck for ollies? I don't think so, because it seems like the Thunders have been the easier truck to ollie with across several decks in a few years.

    On my 8.5" inch Powell Ripper I have Ace 44's and 56mm SPF wheels, and while it's a good bit more weight to throw around I do not find it as difficult to ollie as the 8.25" Powell with the forged Indy's and 54mm wheels. No explanation for that. I should try Indys on it too to see what happens.

    I prefer the turn on Indys and Aces in transition but I can skate Thunders in the bowl just fine. So, like you said, I guess that's my answer.
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