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Hand Screened PP Reissues

WakeInFrightWakeInFright
in Powell-Peralta®
I have a few PP reissues that are definitely hand screened. I am just wondering if we could do an inventory, of ones that are?

I'll start with navy/teal stain, natty rails McGill with eyes, pig.

Red Cab Chinese dragon, again stain with natty rails.

Navy/teal Cab Mech Dragon, again stain with natty rails.

Lime Vallely, again stain with natty rails(not 100% sure on this one)

All these decks are circa 2005-8, if anyone can shed more light on them, and mention any more.

Comments

  • McShredorDieMcShredorDie
    Maybe they switched when Stacy came back.
  • cwalker3cwalker3
    I have been on here since then, and have the last three on your list. Since then, and until today, I recall the party line being that decks have "hand screened heat transfers".

    Example - the old Daisy Mae reissues from last year were made using screened heat transfers from the vault.

    They screen the transfers, then apply them.
  • SharksSharks
    I have a reish Roses long board that is 100% screened and even. I repeat. EVEN has the correct. I repeat! The CORRECT top logo with ripper with a rose in mouth in full. I repeat! In FULL color, as ut should be! Sheeshh. Some things really take a while to sink in. I don't get it. It seems they used to do reissues better before they totally lost it in about...2007?ish
  • WakeInFrightWakeInFright
    Not being critical of the heat transfers Tex, and I have seen the vid of the SkateOne factory where old mate is hand screening them onto the plastic sheets. Ever since I have bought the reishs with heat transfer the graphic has always been spot on. The older ones have faults, blems, like the red Cab Chinese Dragon. I actually went to THREE different skate shops to choose the one with the least blems, and chose the one which has the graphic askew, as opposed to little paint spots, or paint missing. This thread isn't so much about criticizing heat transfers, more so about identifying hand screened reishs that we own and noteworthy features about them like the rose top logo that @Sharks mentioned. That was pretty cool!
  • cwalker3cwalker3
    Yeah, and what I'm saying is that they are all hand screened heat transfers. I think you might be mistaken.
  • WakeInFrightWakeInFright
    edited July 2017
    So you're saying the two Cab's and Vallely are heat transfers with blems Tex, but sold as non blemished decks? The Vallely is blemish free, but the Cabs have their mistakes.

    Speaking of blems, when decks were screened directly onto the deck a blem was accidental. These days when it is screened onto the plastic sheet that sheet can get thrown out if it is a blem. Why intentionally apply a blem graphic to a perfectly fine deck? That blem by argument becomes intended then!
  • cwalker3cwalker3
    I'm saying that they've been doing screened heat transfers exclusively since 2005 or so. And the three last decks that you listed (which I own) were made after that.

    I assume that your hypothesis is rooted in the assumption that screened heat transfers can't have blemishes? I mean, the screenprinting process is the same in either case, just the target medium is different (transfer vs. direct to wood).
  • WakeInFrightWakeInFright
    Definitely not Tex. I totally agree that an accidental blemish can arise when screening onto the plastic sheet. But at that stage it is an accidentally blemished plastic sheet. When you then intentionally, knowingly apply this to a deck it is no longer a mistake. Or do they not have a quality control checking out the transfers before application? Do they wait until it's transferred and go, "Dang, that blem #100 for the day!" Lol
  • cwalker3cwalker3
    OK, I understand what you're saying, that's logical.

    I will say that QC was way worse in 2005.

    I have a black 2006 Hill, and a black 2015 Hill, and they seem identical, except for the rails. The red Cab you cite above has a 2008 date on it.
  • WakeInFrightWakeInFright
    The McGill was a 2006 I believe. I have to go opening boxes to check. It wasn't just the blemishes that made me think that they were not transfers. The transfers that they are doing now look different, smoother somehow
  • brigade_billbrigade_bill
    well they are always looking to put out the best possible product by using the best current equipment
  • WakeInFrightWakeInFright
    Yep, the Chinese Dragon is 2008 and the McGill is 2006!
  • VatoRatVatoRat
    Skip to 8:16...

  • mallgrabbermallgrabber
    That green ban this dragon on that shape...nice.
  • WakeInFrightWakeInFright
    Real nice....the good old days. Made in the USA!
  • McShredorDieMcShredorDie
    That is a rad video!
  • WakeInFrightWakeInFright

    Thanks for the Intel Kam! It would seem strange if SkateOne QC wasn't there, or that you were purposely applying blem transfers. I'll pass on the info. Thanks for clarifying mate.
    Paul
    --------------------------------------------
    On Tue, 25/7/17, Kam Park wrote:

    Subject: Re: SkateOne Blems!
    To: "paul"
    Received: Tuesday, 25 July, 2017, 3:56 AM

    Hi Paul,
    We
    never purposely make a blemish deck. Any transfers that
    are found to be a blemish are pulled and destroyed so they
    never go on the decks. Some may make it through screening
    process and than are pulled as blem decks. As in the Bones
    Brigade decks, First Quality is the produced amount (2500
    for Tony Hawk), while the seconds, will go to be signed and
    sold to benefit the Hawk Foundation. Also, problems that
    occur during the transfer procedure to the deck are what we
    sell as the cosmetic blemish decks. So it depends on how
    many blems there are made that determine if they get sold.
    Often times it is just s few, so they are used as
    giveaways. Other times if I get enough I will put them on
    the site. The China made decks get diverted and sent back if
    blems.kam


    On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:48 PM, paul
    wrote:
    G'day
    Kam,I
    know you are a busy man but there has been some interesting
    conjecture and debate recently on the SkateOne and
    Skate1Junkies forums regarding SkateOne blem
    decks.Now
    that deck graphics are applied by a screened heat transfer
    there is an extra chance to pick up a screened fault before
    the graphic is applied to the deck. Does QC pick these up at
    this point, and set them aside to be applied as blem decks?
    Or is there no QC at this point allowing blems to be
    produced willy nilly. This is in particular regards to the
    Bones Brigade series where up to 2500, or up to
    1000(depending on the skater) were being produced. So were
    ONLY 2500 produced and there were X blems accidentally made,
    stamped as blems(I am told this is what happens with blems),
    and 2500-X numbered from 1 to 2500-x. Or were there more
    than 2500 transfers made to achieve 2500 good decks, and the
    left over blem graphics were applied to more boards to be
    stamped 'blem' and then signed by
    George/Stacy/Skater to be sold for $50 more?I
    know blems can also be produced during application of the
    transfer and from minor wood defects, but the debate is
    based more on the screened transfer having a blem before
    application.Another
    interesting side debate is the blems on sale on the SkateOne
    site are normally the collectible decks, that you don't
    really see MiniLogo, Hoopla, Golden Dragon blems for sale,
    but I have been told that you have warehouse
    sales.The
    last question is why aren't blems put up for sale at the
    same time as the good deck with the same graphic, so giving
    the buyer choice to buy what they want, in the same way
    other deck manufacturers sell transfer and hand screened
    decks with different prices at the same time?Thanks
    for you time Kam,
    Yours Sincerely,
    Paul
    (aka WakeInFright)
  • pulse8pulse8
    Nice.
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